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Tuesday, 23 August 2016

"1:2200000 Ratio"



Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:54 PM

"1:2200000 Ratio" 

AFVAI represents  OROP anomalies of PBORs before Hon'ble Justice Shri. LN Reddy Commission  during his public meeting in Bangalore on 22 Aug 2016. 

Due to strict security restrictions inside the Air Force Station, electronic gadgets like mobiles, laptop, pen drive etc. were not allowed inside the meeting venue. Despite this restriction, the associations representing Officers managed to do power point presentation but I could not do so. Therefore the points were read out, elaborated on the dais and a hard copy of the same presented to OMJC.

Our presentation primarily focused on those anomalies referred by the MOD to the commission, as listed in it's letter dated 02.08.2016. The other points have been included as suggestions for improvement. 

(I) Whether the OROP to be extended to reservists?

YES. Must be extended.

(II) Whether the decision to grant benefit of MACP under OROP only to pensioners who have actually earned, require modification?

We suggested to include the past pensioners who have qualified to earn MACP also, for the benefit under OROP.
Accordingly, we demanded that  (i) the Sepoys & Naiks who have completed  16 years of service and  the Naiks who have held their rank for 8 or more years should be given the OROP of Havildar.(ii) the Naiks & Havildars who have completed 24 years of service and also the Havildars who have held the rank for 8 or more years should be given the OROP of Nb/Sub.

(III) Whether pension tables for more than 33 years to be prepared?

Yes, as the capping of pension at 33 years of service is no longer applicable. Further, those who serve beyond 33 years earn their annual increments which will increase their pension by 50% of such increments earned.

(IV) Whether the methodology followed for fixation of pension under OROP in the absence of actual retirees in the same rank with the same qualifying service, require any modification?

(i) We have submitted that similar situations would have arisen even in many  cases of PBORs as well. For example, with the enhancement of initial term of engagement to 20 years in Air Force and Navy long ago, there would not have been any retirements with 15 to19 years of service in the year 2013. Then what was the method which is logical and scientific followed to arrive at the minimum and maximum pensions between 15-19 years of service?  Since method has not been made available, we have an apprehension that the table 7 appended to PCDA circular 555 is incorrect and requires review. We all feel that we have received less OROP than  what is legitimately due to us in terms of MOD letter dated 07/11/2015. In support of our statement, we have attached a sample  OROP calculation made in the case of a Sepoy who joined Army in 1998 and retired in 2013 after 15 years of service, in the hard copy handed over to OMJC.

(ii) With regard to pension in the case of regular and honorary ranks modifications, if any, to be done for officers, the same may be made applicable in similar cases of PBORs also.

(iii) We have suggested to extend the benefit of 5 years time scale promotion applicable for Corporal in Air Force, to all equivalent ranks in Army & Navy. If implemented the Sepoy/Seaman/ LAC pensioned any time after 13 years (5+8) of service and the NAIK/ LSM/ CPL after 8 years of service in the rank will draw  HAV/PO/SGT pension. Similarly the HAV/PO/SGT retiring/retired any time after 21 years of service (5+8+8) will drawNb.Sub/ CPO/ JWO pension.

(V)Whether the methodology followed for fixation of pension for invalidated out war injury pensioners or liberalised family pensioners require any modification? 

We have suggested to follow the formula at 4(iii) above to the liberalised family pensioners as well. In their case, pension will be double the OROP of respective ranks, since they are eligible for 100% pay as pension.

(VI)Whether in the case of JCOs & ORs the pension is to be paid on the basis of last rank held instead of last rank pensioned under OROP?

We said that it must paid on the basis of the rank held on the date of retirement. 
We have pointed out that it is a well settled legal principle that there cannot be difference or discrimination within the same class as it would violate Art.14 of the Indian Constitution.
Therefore, when present JCOs & ORs are paid pension as per the last rank held by them, the same cannot be denied to past pensioners, under OROP.

We have also suggested the following improvements in OROP, for the consideration of OMJC:

1.The PBOR's OROP should be computed on the basis of the notional maximum pay, as their pension was always calculated on Maximum, as a compensation towards 25- 27 years of their truncated career.

2.Equalisation every year.

3, OROP should be exclusively on the basis of the rank held and therefore others conditions like scale of pay, group etc, which has adversely affected only the PBORs  be done with.

4. For any reasons, point (3) above is not acceptable then the OROP of Y group personnel can utmost be less only by 50% of the X group pay.

5. Same pension for different qualifying services needs review. 

Thanked the OMJC for his attentive hearing. He mentioned in his closing address that he had noted all the points presented by various associations and individual veterans and assured to do his level best within the TOR of his appointment as OMJC.

Last but not the least, we salute all the personnel of Air Force Station, Jalahalli for the meticulous arrangements they have done for the meeting. It was the icing on the cake!
SGT M P KARAN (Retd)

President, Karnataka Chapter AFVAI.

Monday, 22 August 2016

VETERANS JOINED AFVAI

VETERANS JOINED AFVAI
S. No RANK NAME OF VETS M. SHIP No.
DISTT. MUKTSAR SAHIB PUNJAB

1 NK MEHAR SINGH PB 2362
2 HAV KULVINDER SINGH PB 2363
3 NK GURMAIL SINGH PB 2364
4 NK MUKHTAR SINGH PB 2365
5 NK ANOKH SINGH PB 2366
6 NK JAGTAR SINGH PB 2367
7 DFR SUKHDEV SINGH PB 2368
8 HAV WALAIT SINGH PB 2369
9 N SUB NIRMAL SINGH PB 2370
10 SEP JAGDHIR SINGH PB 2371
11 HAV GULAB SINGH PB 2372
12 HAV JALANDHAR SINGH PB 2373
13 WIDOW BALBIR KAUR W/O SEP TOTA SINGH PB 2374
14 HAV BUDH SINGH PB 2375
15 NK RANJIT SINGH PB 2376
16 WIDOW HARINDER KAUR W/O NK PUNJAB SINGH PB 2377
17 NK BALWINDER SINGH PB 2378
18 DFR BALBIR SINGH PB 2379
19 SUB JASVANT SINGH PB 2380
20 HAV RANJIT SINGH PB 2381
21 SUB GURMAIL SINGH PB 2382
22 HAV PARMINDER SINGH PB 2383
23 HAV TARLOK SINGH PB 2384
24 HAV GURCHARAN SINGH PB 2385
25 NK SATNAM SINGH PB 2386
26 NK KUNDAN LAL PB 2387
27 NK BALDEV SINGH PB 2388
28 WIDOW GURDEEP KAUR W/O NK TEHAL SINGH PB 2389
29 NK KARTAR SINGH PB 2390
30 HAV BALJINDER SINGH PB 2391
31 NK ISHAR SINGH PB 2392
32 NK MAJOR SINGH PB 2393
33 NK JOGINDER SINGH PB 2394
34 NK SOHAN SINGH PB 2395
35 NK DALBIR SINGH PB 2396
36 DFR SURJIT SINGH PB 2397
37 WIDOW PARAMJIT KAUR W/O NK RANDHIR SINGH PB 2398
38 NK BALWINDER SINGH PB 2399
39 NK JASBIR SINGH PB 2400
40 HAV GURTEJ SINGH PB 2401
CHANDIGARH

41
SGT HARPINDER SINGH BADWAL CH 2517
42 JWO BHAJAN SINGH CH 2518
43 FITTER DIDAR SINGH CH 2519
44 HFO KIRAN PAUL SINGH CH 2520
45 HFO UPKAR SINGH CH 2521
DELHI
46 NB SUB UDHAI SHANKAR MOURYA (ADVOCATE) DL 5980
DISTT. HOSHIARPUR

47
SUB MAJ RAM PAUL PB 293
DISTT. ROPAR PUNJAB

48
HAV JASBIR SINGH PB 294
49 HAV MAKHAN SINGH PB 295
DISTT. SANGRUR PUNJAB

50
SEP JETHA SINGH PB 296
51 NK SUKHDEV SINGH PB 298
52 NK JAGRUP SINGH PB 299
53 HAV NAND SINGH PB 300
UP

54
MWO V B VERMA UP 5981
55 WO VIRENDRA KUMAR AGNIHOTRI UP 5982


Thanks & Regards
G.S.SIDHU
Chairman AFVAI

Wednesday, 10 August 2016

WE CAN'T EXPECT ANYTHING BETTER FROM ANOMALY COMMITTEE OF 7CPC.

Gurcharan Sidhu <gurcharansidhu1948@gmail.com>


PRABHAKARAN M <mpkaran1955@gmail.com>Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:46 PM
To: Gurcharan Sidhu <gurcharansidhu1948@gmail.com>
"1:2200000" RATIO - WE CANNOT EXPECT ANYTHING BETTER FROM ANOMALY COMMITTEE OF 7CPC.

I am sure that many of us have seen day before yesterday's Burkha Dutt anchored  discussion on 7CPC, telecast by NDTV.

The panel had many retired army officers including Gen. Mallick and Maj. Navdeep Singh, a former finance secretary, a former DG, CRPF, the chairman of the economic cell of BJP, a spokesman from Congress party, the president of IAS officers Association. Justice A K Mathur, the chairman of the 7CPC participated in the discussion through video conferencing.

Naturally the discussion centred around the step motherly treatment meted out to defence services (officers community!) by 7CPC.

There were very interesting punch points during the discussion and I thought of sharing them with you so that we all get an idea of what is in store for us as far as the 7CPC is concerned.

Former DG, CRPF: " The soldiers knew at the time of joining itself that they have to retire early; so why crib about it?"

Our  answer  is: "When many of us have joined the defence services prior to 1972 , we also knew that our pension will be 75% of the pay and not the pro rata 50% that we have eventually got on our discharge. How could the GOI reduce the benefit which was already there? Is that correct and justified sir??"

Former Chief of Army Staff:- " The defence forces constitute 30% central government employees. But they are not represented in any of the committees constituted by the GOI. How is it justified?"

Our answer is: "Thank you sir. If the defence personnel constitute 30% of the central government employees as stated by you, that means the PBORs constitute nearly 28% of the central government employees? 

Where are they represented sir? Why are they left out even in committees constituted by the MOD sir??"

A retired Col: "MSP is given because the defence people have to stay away from their families on many occasions, their wives cannot work, their children will have to study in different schools, they cannot take part in social and family functions etc.  He has also quoted his own personal experience of not able to reach his hometown in time to attend his father's funeral. They are compensated for these kind of hardships which is part and parcel of military life"

Our answer is : " Wow, what a forceful argument sir! But then why the JCOs and NCOs who are subject to same and similar situations, at times to much harsher conditions are paid less MSP than the officers and MNS staff? What is the rationale behind  different MSP sir? If the death in harness is the criteria, then more PBORs die in performing their duties than the officers. Then are we not entitled to higher MSP sir ?"

The President, IAS officers Association: " The defence personnel in Siachin gets Swiss chocolates which are  very expensive; we do not crib about it. Then why are they cribbing about IAS officers being given 55000/- as hardship allowance as against 31500/- to defence officers posted in Siachin. If IAS officers are a problem then it is better that PM takes a call to do away with the all India services."

Our reply is: " Sir, we only wish that if you can serve for a month in Siachin with double the ration of Swiss chocolates. Similarly if you all feel that defence forces is a problem then why don't you recommend to GOI to dismantle the defence forces and make the defence of the country a responsibility of bureaucracy?"

Justice Mathur, the Chairman of the 7CPC: " The defence personnel get a substantive amount as MSP  which no other services get. The hard living allowance added with MSP will be more than the hardship allowance of Civilians.  In addition they also get Pension on retirement  while the Civilians who have joined the service after 2004 are to make monthly contribution  for their pension. On account of  these two major benefits , the grievances of Defence personnel are uncalled for and the defence personnel are much better financially than their civilian counterparts."

Our answer is: "Sir, you have hit the last nail on our coffin. Thank you sir. It would have been better if the commission insisted in their report  to guarantee PBORs an assured career up to 60 years of age by not only  absorbing them in para military forces but also in other central government departments. This should have made the profile of Defence forces much younger and more efficient."

What an irony! I am sure that this being the mind set of decision makers, we cannot expect any thing more or better from the anomaly committee.

Sgt M P KARAN (Retd)
President
Karnataka Chapter AFVAI.

Tuesday, 9 August 2016

RTI APPLICATION ON OROP & OMJC

Gurcharan Sidhu <gurcharansidhu1948@gmail.com>

RTI APPLICATION ON OROP & OMJC

Karan MP <afvaikarnataka@gmail.com>Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 2:26 PM
To: Gurcharan Sidhu <gurcharansidhu1948@gmail.com>
CPIO may please provide the following information and documents (1) A copy of the calculation and or the working sheet prepared along with  the maximum and minimum figures used to determine the one rank one pension of Group X Havildar from Army and its equivalent ranks from Indian Navy and Indian Air Force with 15 years of qualifying service wef 01.07.2014. (2) A copy of the calculation and working sheet prepared along with  the maximum and minimum figures used, to determine the one rank one pension  of Group Y Havildar from Army and its equivalent ranks from Indian Navy and Indian Air Force with 15 years of qualifying service, wef 01.07.2014. (3) A copy of the initial terms of reference of the One Man Judicial Commission headed by Justice Shri. Narasimha Reddy, constituted by the GOI, to look into the anomalies in OROP. (4) A copy of the proposal made by the DESW to drop the PCDA Circular No.555 (Table-7) from the purview of OMJC's public hearings scheduled during August - September 2016, in various parts of the country and the approval given for the same by the Competent Authority in MOD .
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Sir/Madam,
Your RTI Request has been filed successfully on RTI Online Portal. The following are the details:-
Registration Number: DEXSW/R/2016/50355
Name: M PRABHAKARAN
Date of Filing: 09/08/2016
Request filed with: Department of Ex-Servicemen Welfare
Contact Details:-
Telephone Number: 01123012593
Email Idus-ic@desw.gov.in
Payment Details:-
RTI Fee Received: 10
Payment Mode: Internet Banking
SBI Reference number : IKC0615772
Transaction Status: Completed Successfully
SGT M P KARAN (Retd)
President
Karnataka Chapter AFVAI.

Thursday, 4 August 2016

RTI on DL 33

RTI on DL 33

Karan MP <afvaikarnataka@gmail.com>Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 9:34 PM
To: Gurcharan Sidhu <gurcharansidhu1948@gmail.com>
RTI filed on DL 33, by the President, Karnataka Chapter of AFVAI
CPIO may please provide the following information and copies of documents
1. The copies of all the Notings submitted by the department to the competent authority in Ministry of Defence, GOI seeking its approval for extending the benefit of full pension to all Pre-2006 military pensioners consequent upon delinking 33  years of service, as notified by the DOPT, GOI vide its OM dated 06/04/2016,
2. A copy of the approval given by the above competent authority
3. Copies of all objections, opinions clarifications and concurrence sought/given by various authorities including those from other  departments and ministries through whom the above file was routed
4. Copies of all related documents and Notings related to the time line proposed for its implementation and the formulae to be adopted for the PBOR pensioners for extending the benefit as contained in DOPT OM dated 06/04/2016
5. Copies of any other documents, Notings, references made and received, inter departmental memo etc relating to delinking of 33 years service condition for full pension to Pre- 2006 military pensioners.
M P Karan
President
Karnataka Chapter AFVAI
BANGALORE-560075
9880016240
Dear Sir/Madam,
Your RTI Request has been filed successfully on RTI Online Portal. The following are the details:-
Registration Number: DEXSW/R/2016/50353
Name: M PRABHAKARAN
Date of Filing: 04/08/2016
Request filed with: Department of Ex-Servicemen Welfare
Contact Details:-
Telephone Number: 01123012593
Email Idus-ic@desw.gov.in
Payment Details:-
RTI Fee Received: 10
Payment Mode: Internet Banking
SBI Reference number : IKC0216466
Transaction Status: Completed Successfully

Wednesday, 3 August 2016

VETERANS JOINED AFVAI

VETERANS JOINED AFVAI
       
S. No RANK NAME OF VETS M. SHIP No.
       
DISTT. FEROZEPUR PUNJAB
1 HAV BOHAR SINGH PB 152
2 NK CHAMKAUR SINGH PB 153
3 HAV PRTAP SINGH PB 154
4 WIDOW GURMEJ KAUR W/O SURAJ SINGH PB 155
5 HAV PIARA SINGH PB 156
6 WIDOW JOGINDER KAUR W/O SEP. DALIP SINGH PB 157
7 NK GURDYAL SINGH PB 158
8 SUB. BALDEV SINGH PB 159
9 NB. SUB. BALBIR SINGH PB 160
10 SUB. SAWARN SINGH PB 161
11 WIDOW JAGBIR KAUR W/O NK. MOHINDER SINGH PB 162
12 HAV SOHAN SINGH PB 163
13 HAV BUDH SINGH PB 164
14 WIDOW SURJIT KAUR W/O SEP. JASSA SINGH PB 165
15 GNR. SHABAG SINGH PB 166
16 WIDOW HARJIT KAUR W/O SUKHDEV SINGH PB 167
17 HAV MOHAN SINGH PB 168
18 HAV KARAJ SINGH PB 169
19 WIDOW HARJIT KAUR W/O SEP. GURMEJ SINGH PB 170
       
DISTT. SANGRUR PUNJAB
20 WIDOW BALJIT KAUR W/O HAV. BALBANT SINGH PB 291
21 HON. CAPT. KARNAIL SINGH PB 292
       
DISTT. MUKTSAR SAHIB PUNJAB
22 SEP. GURNAM SINGH PB 2358
23 NK. JAGDEV SINGH PB 2359
24 HAV DALIP SINGH PB 2360
25 NK. AMAR SINGH PB 2361
       
DISTT. JALANDHAR PUNJAB
26 HAV GURMIT SINGH PB 2737
27 JWO FAQUIR CHAND PB 2738
       
OTHER STATES
28 JWO ARYA PREM  TG 5970
29 NK CLK SELAN GOVAN TN 5971
30 JWO MURALI V. A. NAIR KL 5972
31 JWO JASH BHAI B AKHOLKAR GJ 5974
       
       

Thanks & Regards
G.S.SIDHU
Chairman AFVAI

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